Clive Hicks-Jenkins vignette for Thaliad |
Despite this, soft surrealism—that is, a little incoherence there, an out of place violent or sexual image there (no one tries to actually use automatism)—is still relatively popular today. It makes a poem look edgy, in-the-know, and it has a nice leftist pedigree. The problem is that this soft surrealism can hide incompetence and often adds nothing to a poem, other than the above stylish marking. (Examples—almost all published this month—can be found here, here, here, here, and here.)
Stephen Burt has written against this soft surrealism, which he calls “elliptical poetry,” and has suggested that a renewed focus on objects in poetry—on “well-made, attentive, unornamented things”—might (and should) replace the “slippery, digressive, polyvocalic,…overlapping, colorful fragments” of a still fashionable soft surrealism.
I would propose a different route. Getting rid of incoherence, meaningless images, fragmented syntax, and so forth, could open a much needed opportunity for a fantastic in poetry that makes sense. Too long has the fantastic been wedded to Breton’s watered-down automatism, and breaking definitively free from it might open the field for more poems like Marly Youmans’s Thaliad or Joe Fletcher’s Sleigh Ride. And that would be a very good thing.
There are some interesting responses... And I don't know Joe Fletcher. I'll have to remedy that gap!
Yes, your Thaliad is "a good thing" - congrats, Marly!
ReplyDelete(Sorry I've been quiet though I do read every post.)
Hi Marja-Leena,
DeleteI've been quiet too--crazy-busy for the past week. Shall come by soon...
That's funny, I have always thought of Surrealism as being a right-wing thing -- you know, T.S. Eliot & Salvador Dali are the two names that pop right into my head. But dipping into the Wikipedia article, I find that's largely because I'm an ignoramus about French art and literature. And no doubt because I'm a lefty guy, and we all tend to sweep everything we dislike into the same corner.
ReplyDeleteI have an intense dislike of Surrealism, which dates from from long before I had any theory of art at all. I detested Alice in Wonderland and Salvador Dali from very early on. I like T.S. Eliot in spite of his surrealism, not because of it (his heart wasn't really in it, anyway, I think: he was just being trendy. An awfully insecure man, for someone of his gifts.) It's always seemed to me, at bottom, an urge to deface things and mark them up, just because one can.
Whereas fantasy is the desire the find the meaning that's already there, to find whats imminent, to grope towards what is dimly and imperfectly figured in dream. The fantasy writers I most admire do not make anything up at all, and they have no wish to break anything.
A surrealist asks, "how can I disrupt the meaning of this image, break its continuity, violate the expectations readers have about it?" A fantasist asks the opposite question: "how can I find what's more real, what's more central, what's deeper, that this image resonates with?"
I like that--really good comparison, and I find your dislike interesting as well, even though as a child I adored the Alice books and still like them.
DeletePolizotti's Breton book, "Revolution of the Mind," was an enlightening one for me. For a while I thought that I understood surrealism!
I fear I cannot sympathize with his politics, but perhaps more with his poetics... . And he has good taste for referencing you.
ReplyDeleteTo tell the absolute truth, I have a storyteller's love for people that transcends politics. I suppose that's probably considered a wicked thing these days, when the country is so divided. Perhaps it's again the storytelling part of me, but I find it interesting to grasp other people's point of view and why they might believe differently for legitimate reasons. Again, an unpopular way of thinking...
DeleteAnd I'm also interested when their reasons don't seem legitimate. I just like people. And don't care for the parties much. Each of them stuffed with the self-righteous.
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ReplyDeleteI adore Alice, but find "avant garde" poetry and such a bore, in general. I still try reading the stuff anyway, hoping to find something to change my mind.
But I appreciate Dale's distinction between surrealism and fantasy.
DeleteI don't believe it's possible to be avant garde anymore, not in the sense "they" mean. It hasn't been for a long time. The most outrageous thing you can do is turn your back on modernism and its post and post-post children and leap into the tradition to make it live for today.
DeleteOh, and I liked that definition as well! I really adds something to the piece.
DeleteYes, it's hard to figure out, at this point, just what armée they imagine they're in front of, and where it might be marching to :-)
ReplyDeleteIt's marching to the Land of Oblivion (aka the LOO) so far as readership goes...
DeleteI don't see how a person have much sense of history, or much imagination, if their love of people doesn't transcend their politics. We're all dead wrong about many things: & which things which of us turn out to have been right about, well, some of that may be quite clear a hundred years now, and more of it a thousand years from now, should we get so far. But we're all fumbling in the dark. I hold my opinions passionately, don't mistake me, but I hold them knowing I could be very wrong indeed, both in what opinions I hold and in what I choose to hold opinions about.
ReplyDeleteI do feel that there too many people feeling self-righteous about their opinions, who have no conception that some other people might have reasons for their differing opinions that are neither wrong nor shameful. Of course, that block and inability to empathize is also interesting for a writer...
Delete"Love on another" is hugely important to me. Not always easy, but important...
Not "on" but "one"! Agh!
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